Mansion Productions Terminates Relationship With SegPay

[D-man]

omg - someones jumping on the bandwagon big time.

http://www.avn.com/index.cfm?objectID=2382D137-EA8F-B285-4B3B15CD0AC74DFB

Funny how the company that built a shave in their software takes cheap shots at their main compitition

[Sharky]

Yeah, thats a cheap shot. How much interaction does a billing company have with a software company. I mean their tech guys might work together at times, but it's not like NATS/Segpay will have access to all of mansions raw code.

[Oystein]

D-man and Sharky,

I really thought you guys would read between the lines in all of this and see the OBVIOUS conflict of interest. Guess I was wrong, too bad.

Let me just say that now that TMM has equity in SegPay they also have full access to all the technical email communication Mansion had with them during the technical integration between MPA3 and SegPay a couple years ago. How do you think that makes us feel?

Also, IF we were to still support SegPay we would have to rely on their technical team to resolve any technical issues - well, that team is now TMM which clearly is a competitor and we have no need for TMM to access any part of our proprietary source code to gain advantage for their own means.

D-man and Sharky, you are both industry old schools - really you must see this conflict?

[gonzo]

D-man and Sharky,

I really thought you guys would read between the lines in all of this and see the OBVIOUS conflict of interest. Guess I was wrong, too bad.

Let me just say that now that TMM has equity in SegPay they also have full access to all the technical email communication Mansion had with them during the technical integration between MPA3 and SegPay a couple years ago. How do you think that makes us feel?

Also, IF we were to still support SegPay we would have to rely on their technical team to resolve any technical issues - well, that team is now TMM which clearly is a competitor and we have no need for TMM to access any part of our proprietary source code to gain advantage for their own means.

D-man and Sharky, you are both industry old schools - really you must see this conflict?

We all been around to remember how you advertised "shave" as a feature when you started selling MPA.

You created the opening for competition with that one move alone.

Honestly the way you and John trade candy assed barbs for the beer money crew makes me very impatient to see what CCBill has cooking.

Why?

In one corner I have a litigous business partner and in the other one I have a self admitted/promoted shaver.

Worse choices than in a presidential election.

[D-man]

D-man and Sharky,

I really thought you guys would read between the lines in all of this and see the OBVIOUS conflict of interest. Guess I was wrong, too bad.

Let me just say that now that TMM has equity in SegPay they also have full access to all the technical email communication Mansion had with them during the technical integration between MPA3 and SegPay a couple years ago. How do you think that makes us feel?

Also, IF we were to still support SegPay we would have to rely on their technical team to resolve any technical issues - well, that team is now TMM which clearly is a competitor and we have no need for TMM to access any part of our proprietary source code to gain advantage for their own means.

D-man and Sharky, you are both industry old schools - really you must see this conflict?

Umm I did read between the lines but I read between the other ones.

TMM became MPA's competion right after the shaving issue, which i think was before you were with Manson.

I like you always have. I hope you guys do well. Im still calling a spade a spade -The timing was a low blow.

I don't think John's problem was with honesty but rather a huge lack of Judgement. Your basicly just trashing him for poor judgement which may be vaild.

So what you guys are saying is they will steal your code. I doubt they could care less about your code they have their own. They may steal info? Is that your concern? I see the point I just can't get my head around it being a valid concern.

Bad judgement (ie:John) does not a theif make. Stealing makes you a theif!

If I owned TMM and all is well and I see a chance to invest in Segpay and make an alliance like that I may have thought it a good idea too. I know John knew who he was investing in (Ibill) Segpay. Im sure at the time that was penned this TMM mess had not even happened yet. A good idea? Humm I don't know but now yeah maybe not. I really doubt MPA ever crossed his mind when they were looking at the deal.

Take the TMM mess out of the story for a minute. Then look at the press release again. (The other lines)

Many gave/give MPA a second chance after the "shave".

So why are we all so quick to condem TMM or Segpay.

[Oystein]

Umm I did read between the lines but I read between the other ones.

TMM became MPA's competion right after the shaving issue, which i think was before you were with Manson.

I like you always have. I hope you guys do well. Im still calling a spade a spade -The timing was a low blow.

I don't think John's problem was with honesty but rather a huge lack of Judgement. Your basicly just trashing him for poor judgement which may be vaild.

So what you guys are saying is they will steal your code. I doubt they could care less about your code they have their own. They may steal info? Is that your concern? I see the point I just can't get my head around it being a valid concern.

Bad judgement (ie:John) does not a theif make. Stealing makes you a theif!

If I owned TMM and all is well and I see a chance to invest in Segpay and make an alliance like that I may have thought it a good idea too. I know John knew who he was investing in (Ibill) Segpay. Im sure at the time that was penned this TMM mess had not even happened yet. A good idea? Humm I don't know but now yeah maybe not. I really doubt MPA ever crossed his mind when they were looking at the deal.

Take the TMM mess out of the story for a minute. Then look at the press release again. (The other lines)

Many gave/give MPA a second chance after the "shave".

So why are we all so quick to condem TMM or Segpay.

Not condemning anyone - Merely pointing out and eliminating ANY conflict of interests.

[Oystein]

Just remembered - when I was invited to join this board to talk serious business that the "promise" was that it would not be a "gfy" type board.

I got bamboozled.

Might as well be on GFY...

:takeashit:

[D-man]

Just remembered - when I was invited to join this board to talk serious business that the "promise" was that it would not be a "gfy" type board.

I got bamboozled.

Might as well be on GFY...

:takeashit:

no your safe here dude and im not taking sides - It didn't say everyone would agree with you

The topic is business - what happened to TMM effects us all -

Hey here is a wild idea for a press release - What if it said


Manson owner of MPA3 Comes to the Aid of Competitor!

In a statement Manson offers assistance to the Compitition. In a act of goodwill Manson has agreed to help in anyway TMM with the security breach that has/will so deeply effected the Industry.

Oystein Wright, CEO of Mansion Productions, said we understand the possibility of a scurity breach of this nature and are willing to help in anyway we can. We all have to be concerned about this type of thing and this effects how other billing compainies may view the relationships with companies of our nature and the information that has been intrusted to us -

Or something to that effect - wonder how that would have played?

[Oystein]

no your safe here dude and im not taking sides - It didn't say everyone would agree with you

The topic is business - what happened to TMM effects us all -

Hey here is a wild idea for a press release - What if it said


Manson owner of MPA3 Comes to the Aid of Competitor!

In a statement Manson offers assistance to the Compitition. In a act of goodwill Manson has agreed to help in anyway TMM with the security breach that has/will so deeply effected the Industry.

Oystein Wright, CEO of Mansion Productions, said we understand the possibility of a scurity breach of this nature and are willing to help in anyway we can. We all have to be concerned about this type of thing and this effects how other billing compainies may view the relationships with companies of our nature and the information that has been intrusted to us -

Or something to that effect - wonder how that would have played?

Hmmm. Good one.

[gonzo]

Just remembered - when I was invited to join this board to talk serious business that the "promise" was that it would not be a "gfy" type board.

I got bamboozled.

Might as well be on GFY...

:takeashit:

You arent taking this as serious business?

[Oystein]

D Man, thanks for the phone conversation, I hope you feel it’s ok that I post what we already talked about on the phone here so that everyone else get a reply from me too :)

I'm sorry if I jumped a little here, but out of all boards on the internet I really thought that this was the place where they would see a conflict of interest that where this obvious. But maybe the article on AVN was not clear enough and I guess we will have to kick ourselves for that :(

This has nothing to do with the situation that NATS are in now. TMM came out with a press release that they had joined forces with SegPay like 14 days ago. That is when Garry and I started to talk about this.

Our largest competitor, that we do not have a great experience with in the past, have teamed up with one of the processors that we work(ed) close with. One of the potential conflicts could be that TMMSegpay would change something on their end that would make it so MPA3 didn't get the post backs from TMMSegPay. Then MPA3 would not able to show the admin OR the webmaster the signup and/or the recurring. Now can you imagine the situation that would put our company in?

Another conflict is that now our largest competitor would get full access to see how MPA3 talk to the processors, and on top of that we would be depending on TMM for support as well. (if that is how they will set it up – we cannot say for sure)

We are not saying that any of these conflicts would happen, but it is for sure a concern, and for sure a conflict of interests for us.

Yes, it was unfortunate that this "hack" issue came up when we were about to send out the press release on it, but what options did we have? We couldn't wait for 3 - 4 months until we terminated our relationship with them since it is a serious concern we have at this point in time.

[DragonKing]

Oystein,
Thanks for clearing that up.. I know some people were definitely confused, misinformed even by the timing of events.
I can say here with confidence that for as long as I know you, you are an upstanding business man, Innovator and all around good person.
Best of luck to you and MPA in 2008!

[Oystein]

Oystein,
Thanks for clearing that up.. I know some people were definitely confused, misinformed even by the timing of events.
I can say here with confidence that for as long as I know you, you are an upstanding business man, Innovator and all around good person.
Best of luck to you and MPA in 2008!

Thank you DK - really appreciate that. Same goes back to you :-)